Curse

Gmr Leon · May 26, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

I saw a topic about the scepter in the gwonline forums so I decided to raise the topic here. We've seen the scepter in Kryta though it's from Orr,but why is it in Kryta? Also,it can command the undead and the titans though how and why can it do so?

Not to mention who created the staff?

My theory on how the scepter was found in one of those weird places in Majesty's Rest is that the doorway or whatever it is links to the Catacombs of Orr and that they found the scepter there.

Though it does seem odd that the scepter would be such a key artifact in the story and yet there isn't much we know about it...

TheMadKingGeorge · May 26, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

say hello to chapter 3

Mustache Mayhem · May 27, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

I know it's the lich's favorite toy to play with.. he glitched one time and I saw him riding it like a broomstick slapping his behind like in brokeback mountain

Raiin Maker · May 27, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

the lore section has lots of info on the septer of orr, and its also really intresting... try reading it sometimes.

Martian · May 27, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Well Kryta is the last remaining Human super-power, no doubt if scavengers found it, it would be Krytans who made the highest bid.

Unkemptwolf · May 31, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Martian

Well Kryta is the last remaining Human super-power, no doubt if scavengers found it, it would be Krytans who made the highest bid.

I'd have to agree. The Krytans (or the Mantle, at least) have a vested interest in keeping up with where the sceptre is, since it is what would allow for the destruction of their "gods." Most likely they obtained it from a scavenger, or the Mursaat ordered the to go find it for safe keeping. Thats why it was hidden in a tomb somewhere out in the forest. They probably hoped the lich couldnt find it there, and it would be safe.

Personally, I have a feeling that all the stuff going on in Tyria and Cantha is related, and thats why there seem to be so many unanswered questions. I think the last chapter of GW will reveal that a single entity was behind everything that has happened in all the previous chapters, and thus answer the lingering questions from each one, while providing closure to the GW story. Or at least thats what I'm hoping, since otherwise it means there are holes the size of Tyria in some of these storylines.

Warcheif_Jonval · Jul 19, 2006, 07:00 AM // 07:00

this is probobly not the greatest comparison ever, but the story in Neon Genesis had holes the size of Jupiter in it and it is still hailed as a great story.

Regardless of reality, anyway.

Avarre · Jul 19, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Kryta was a colony. Orr founded Kryta, arrived by sea to the Krytan shore (since they have ships). Lord of Orr or whatever left scepter there when he died or such.

End Avarre theory.

Goats17 · Jul 20, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

<-------Likes Avarre's theory. Thinks it might be true.

Rathcail · Jul 20, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

I think with the name "Majesty's Rest" would have something to do with the Krytans burying their kings there. There's the big crypt in the middle which obviously is reserved for the Krytan kings. And then there is the small crypt on the corner which I believe was given to the king of Orr as a resting place considering that Orr was blown up.

In the cutscene when the scepter is found, it doesn't exactly look like the mantle ("The scepter, I found it!") knew where it was before this, with it being found two years after the destruction of Orr. Also didn't seem like the Lich knew where it was either since he came just a bit too late.

Neriandal Freit · Jul 20, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I think we'll see the Sceptre in a later chapter, but not any time soon. I do think that it'll be involved in a Epic-Like chapter of Guildwars too, my idea of "Help the Gods" chapter, which would be interesting if it span a few chapters...

Anywho! :P

jordie · Jul 20, 2006, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Kryta was a colony. Orr founded Kryta, arrived by sea to the Krytan shore (since they have ships). Lord of Orr or whatever left scepter there when he died or such.

End Avarre theory.

All the human kindoms used to be one. And the kings stayed at lions arch, untill the kingdoms split up. So either it was there from before the kingdoms split up or
it was like peoples earlier belifes. (possibly put there by the lich to make the flameseeker prophecies come true)

Roupe · Jul 20, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Well, here is My speculations loosly based on guildwars lore, neatly in a hisoric tale.

It was used as a instrument of war then, at the time when the Old Gods' gift of magic had been misused by the races of Tyria and wars were raging across the land.

When King Doric unified the lands, with the help of the Gods, he took the Scepter from Orr to his main capital at Lions Arch. Perhaps he took it as Loot, or was offered it as a gift -beeing the defecato Ruler of Orr.

Somewhile later the scepter was placed to rest in the Burial site at Majesties Rest. By then most people had forgotten how powerfull that scepter was,
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Dorick dynasty lost eventually its hold on the unified lands, and its decendants remained mostly in Ascalon, Lions Arch was also Lost as the Main capital and even more people forgot about its ancient kings and their Loot. Especially when a took the place as it nest Bone dragon and ate any nearing the place.
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Near Present time, In Orr , a certain powerhungry seeking Vizir & Advisor to Orrs king, found the Orrs ancient records scriptures describing the Scepter.

Using his position of power it woulndt have been much difficult to gain acces to old historical archives. Especially with a Charr army marching , the Charrs was however divided since they had to attack both Orr and Ascalon.

Naturally the Vizir while in the deepest archive found other intresting scriptures from the times of old magic. A death insurance spell (which he used) & other intresting spells.

In his attempts of casting the spell "Find Scepter" or "defeat marching Charr army" , he casted " Summon destruction", Blowing himself and Orr up & turning him into a Lich (since he had some death insurance spell active) perhaps also releasing Baltazars Halfbrother (Lord of Destruction)

With Orr blown to smitherines, the Charr could consolidate their forces. Ascalon was then placed undersige.

A Charr Mesmer using a ritual Echo ish type of spell duplicated the spell the charrs saw anihalated Orr.

Ascalon nowhere near the Sea didnt sink however so the "spell" improvised.

The Lich still wanted the Scepter of Orr and moved on to Kryta, tracing old records -and noticing that Dorric took it. Where the whitemantle almost twarted his effort & "stole it" from under his nose. The rest is of course history.

Urban_Nomad · Jul 21, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I don't think that the Vizier was trying to become a Lich. For one, it would just fall into the "I'm a vizier so I have to be evil, rawr" category. I think he was simply looking for a way to defeat the Charr, misunderstood the meaning of the ancient scroll, and the rest is history. It seems to me that the main point of the spell, however, was to turn the caster into a Lich, and that the explosion that sank Orr was just a really bad side-effect, and not the other way around.

I don't make any claims as to where it came from, but I don't the White Mantle knew where the Scepter of Orr was until they found it in that tomb. Most likely, some Mantle scholar found out about it, or a legend of it, and realized that it could be used to control the Titans, which they would already know that the Mursaat feared and had them locked behind the Door of Komalie.

Who knows who it was buried with in that tomb. Perhaps a king, but they would likely be buried in Orr. Perhaps a tomb-robber found it in Orr, and it went to the highest bidder in kryta, and that's who the tomb belonged to. I don't know, but there a ton of explanations you could come up with.

Gorebrex · Jul 21, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Id like to know why the scepter disappears afet defeating Lich. I mean, come on! The staff that can control the Titans, and we just leave it? Not even try to grab it? I know it disappears(absorbed into Bloodstone?), but why? Also, what is it made of? Is it wood, metal, what? LOTS of unanswered questions.

Roupe · Jul 21, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Well, there was a certain treasure Hoarding dragon at the scene...
That beeing the case, I think Its fair to assume that Glint took it - despite her being a vision.

Raiin Maker · Jul 21, 2006, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Id like to know why the scepter disappears afet defeating Lich. I mean, come on! The staff that can control the Titans, and we just leave it? Not even try to grab it? I know it disappears(absorbed into Bloodstone?), but why? Also, what is it made of? Is it wood, metal, what? LOTS of unanswered questions.

Glint probally destroyed it so it could not have been used again, and the titans could never be controlled by its amazing power.

Raiin Maker · Jul 21, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Urban_Nomad

I don't think that the Vizier was trying to become a Lich. For one, it would just fall into the "I'm a vizier so I have to be evil, rawr" category. I think he was simply looking for a way to defeat the Charr, misunderstood the meaning of the ancient scroll, and the rest is history. It seems to me that the main point of the spell, however, was to turn the caster into a Lich, and that the explosion that sank Orr was just a really bad side-effect, and not the other way around.
I don't make any claims as to where it came from, but I don't the White Mantle knew where the Scepter of Orr was until they found it in that tomb. Most likely, some Mantle scholar found out about it, or a legend of it, and realized that it could be used to control the Titans, which they would already know that the Mursaat feared and had them locked behind the Door of Komalie.

Who knows who it was buried with in that tomb. Perhaps a king, but they would likely be buried in Orr. Perhaps a tomb-robber found it in Orr, and it went to the highest bidder in kryta, and that's who the tomb belonged to. I don't know, but there a ton of explanations you could come up with.

The point of the spell was to destroy the marching amy of charr, marching to destroy the city of the gods.

The vizer, the kings personal avdiser went down into the catacombes and read a spell from an ancient scroll/tablet. The resulting explosion sunk all of orr. The ironic thing is the charr never reached orr, if i remember correctly they turned back... XD

Avarre · Jul 21, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by jordie

All the human kindoms used to be one. And the kings stayed at lions arch, untill the kingdoms split up. So either it was there from before the kingdoms split up or
it was like peoples earlier belifes. (possibly put there by the lich to make the flameseeker prophecies come true)

Kryta was a founded colony, which later became an independent nation before the Guild Wars. Read the handbook

Whatever emmisary of Orr died and his sceptre was left there, but the tomb was hidden to an extent, hence the only recent dicovery.

Raiin Maker · Jul 21, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Kryta was a founded colony, which later became an independent nation before the Guild Wars. Read the handbook

Whatever emmisary of Orr died and his sceptre was left there, but the tomb was hidden to an extent, hence the only recent dicovery.

Indeed the lore in the handbook rocks.